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If you can spare an hour,this video will show y'all why the homosexual agenda is very destructive to the Constitution,America and the moral fabric of our society,and to children and the traditional family.

Silencing Christians | One-Hour National Special

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Howdy Y'all,

This video further explains why marriage must not be allowed to be re-defined by homosexual activists,explains how free speech of Christians stands to be silenced with hate crime laws and so on.

Have a good one ...

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Its only destructive in the eyes of christian extremists like you.
You and others who want to stop them getting married are infringing on their rights and their free speech.

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You don't even see what you are doing Torog. You are so worried about gay people trying to convert the world, and the children... and blah blah blah, when you are doing the EXACT SAME THING to us! LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!! Its fucking ridiculous. You are saying things like "This will show you.. " "This explains why gays are destructive.."
when it really explains absolutely nothing, except your hate towards other members of the human race. Don't even bother saying that you love the sinner and hate the sin too... because that is crap, that none of us believe it. Stop pushing your hatred and negativity on us.
I am almost starting to think Torog, that this is all just a ruse on your part... you are probably doing this just to watch all of us peck at your bait. Well congratulations. If its not a ruse, then I just pity you.
If a WHOLE community of people here at stoner forums can't show you how irrational you are being, then you will never understand. I say more power to you. I am thankful to have been raised with an open mind and the option to choose my own beliefs.

You definitely won't be thought very highly of by many people if you keep spitting your narrow minded hate at the world.

Gay people should and should ALWAYS have the same rights as every other single human being on this planet. Period. Strip the world of all of society's bullshit, and lies... and all you are left with is human beings. Thats it.

Have a wonderful day.

Peace and Pot.

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Bingo! I have thought this for sometime. after all it is the Internet. On the other hand, he is like someone playing the same role on Broadway for like a decade. After awhile, you become the role. He is a character; that's for sure. There is a part of me that senses he thrives on what he perceives as his battle against evil.

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SO I'm watching this video, torog (Why? I don't know. Must be the masochist in me), and I'm preparing to give a bit of a running commentary. I hope you don't mind a few posts in a sort of stream-of-consciousness and perhaps at times disjointed style. I'll try to pull it together at the end.

I've watched about ten minutes so far, and I keep hearing all these mysterious references to "special rights" the "homosexual lobby" wants, but the nature of these "special rights" has yet to be touched upon.


There's this story about a school, and a video. A few issues:

1. Your child is not yours while at school. This is essentially true. While a child is in school, the school takes full legal responsibility for that child. While a child is in school, and in some cases while the child is in transit from school, the school can, in a sense, be considered the legal guardian of that child.

2. The way they talk about this video, I get the impression that it was an anti-bullying (emotional and physical bullying) video which focused specifically on bullying others based on their sexual orientation. I don't know if you know, torog, but this type of harassment is prevalent in many schools, and it is unlawful. The ability to "opt out" of anti-harassment trainings kind of makes those trainings meaningless, doesn't it? However, if you don't like your child being told that discrimination 9against gays or any other group) is not OK, homeschool that child. Simple solution, right there. Whats the problem?

Now, more video...

So guy talking about how intimidation of child who doesn't want to watch the video is wrong (which I agree with), and yet nothing has been mentioned before now about any intimidation, by the school or otherwise. Being told "Bullying is not OK, and you need to watch this video to understand why harassment is not OK, even if it is based on something you believe to be immoral" is not, in my opinion, intimidation. Neither is telling a parent "if your child is enrolled in our school, he must watch this video." the latter is a policy statement; if you don't like it, as I said, enroll your child in a different school (or district, or homeschool).


Also, same person makes the same blatantly false slippery slope "gay marriage leads to all types of marriage being considered equal" argument you are so fond of torog (you know, the one that has been disputed and debunked by several posters on these very boards?). He says "no nation...can sustain itself...with that kind of sexual activity..." (or something along those lines) without providing a SINGLE reason or example of why that should be so.

Also, I sincerely doubt that the kid was prohibited from expressing his disagreement with homosexuaality; I would imagine that eh was prohibited from doing so during the video (because that is disruptive behavior), and maybe also prohibited from doing so in a hurtful manner.

Highly doubt homosexuals "provide the curriculum" for many classes/schools. I think thats a major overstatement designed to create the fear that "homosexuals are taking over our children's education," a proposition which is frankly ridiculous.

Also, the adoptive children of gay parents (or even their biological children, in some cases) are not more likely to be gay than anyone else--what further evidence do we need to suggest that exposure to homosexuality at an early age does not lead to homosexual behavior (I'll try to find the research here after I finish the video)? i'd love to hear the "experiential data" the woman talks about which shows that "children can't handle this."


And all this before the first commercial break...

Back to the program:

"ex-gays" have, in several stdies, reported still feeing attracted toward people of the same sex. This shows that homosexuality may well not be something changeable, though homosexual behavior (obviously) is. Furthermore, the civil rights movement was an effort to become free from discrimination on all levels, not just on a governmental level. Since homosexuals are discriminated against in many ways, the movement to free homosexuals from discrimination can justly be compared to the civil rights movemnt.

Oh, nad how about a couple rights (off the top of my head) that homosexuals don't have:
1) the right to serve openly in the armed forces, and
2) the right to enter into a legal marrigae (and for your cries of "civil union!!", as far as I know, there is no federally endorsed same-sex union, and in any case I point you to the Jim Crow laws enacted regarding blacks, which were "seperate but equal" but were struck down by the courts as unconstitutional.


There's plenty of proof that homosexuals have been hurt and discriminated against based on their sexual orientation--I'm not sure where these people are getting any other ideas.

As to a "homosexual gene:" no, there probably isn't one. Genetics is fairly complex, and sexuality even more so. However, that doesn't mean that sexual orientation is something that is under one's individual control. Furthermore, even if one could engage in "treatment" for homosexuality with a high success rate, that does not make it ethical or right that people who don't want to (i.e. people who are gay and happy to be so) should undergo said treatment.

Whupz. That was an accidental post--I meant to save it all up and just make one loooooooooong post at the end.

Furthermore, homosexuality certainly has a basis outside human behavior--how else can one explain homosexuality in animals?

Also, just as christians are intolerant of what they perceive as the indoctrnation of othersinto a homosexual lifestyle, so gays may well be intolerant of what they perceive as attempts to indoctrinate others into a lifestyle of bigotry and repression ("homosexuality is not OK, Therefore, I am willing myself to no longer be homosexual").

How do church shootings indicate that homosexuality promotes violence against christians? how do the actions of a couple of fools indicate that the homosexual agenda includes destroying or persecuting christians? What evidence do they have that the guy who attempted to burn down a nunnery did so because he felt that christians treat homosexuals unfairly?

Also, I'd be against Naugle as well. I eman, I can't find anythign on the specific controversy mentioned, but from a quick look around (video on pause), he appears to be openly anti-gay, and appears to discriminate against gays publicly, which is something I think is intolerable in an elected official.

"Non-partisan studies" show that TWO PARENTS do indeed make a child more likely to be successful. However, these studies (at least as far as I know) say NOTHING about whether it is better or worse if those two parents are of the same sex. Furthermore, if that is the argument, then single-parent homes should be outlawed. Women (or, less often, men) should be FORCED to live with a partner and share the responsibility for raising children. After all, single-parent homes are destroying the traditional family. Right?

Letting people enjoy the benefits of marriage (legal benefits or otherwise) does not constitute agreement with their views. It constitutes equal protection under the law, which is a provision of the US constitution.

Marriage is more than a religious institution. marriageis a LEGAL institution, and that is how it is fundamentally defined UNDER THE LAW. legal marriage has little or nothing to do with religion, and gay marriage equates to legal marriage, not religous marriage. therefore, allowing gays to marry in no way constitutes forced religious acceptance of their beliefs or way of life.

While I agree that hte crime laws are kind of unnecessary (I don't think that hurting someone because they're homosexual, or black, or [insert group here] is actually worse than hurting them for any other reason), if there are hate crime laws already, homosexuals should certainly be included in those laws.

I need to read about the so-called "Philidelphia 11" before commenting, because the video is extremely sketchy with details.

Whee! Moral absolutism, reliance on the bilbe for law!! Cause THAT'S really in line with the US Constitution. Or not.


So their argument against ENDA? Could just as easily be applied to someone with a religious belief that, for instance, blacks are inferior and therefore should not be hired. This is just frankly fucking stupid. If one supports antiworkplace-dicrimination laws, one must support ENDA in order to be consistent. the "safe workplace" argument is bunkem; the bible does not constitue discriminatory material (though interpretations of it might).

Furthermore, you can believe rights originate with god if you like, but that doesn't mean that biblical law applies in a constitutionally secular nation. But I do agree that we must steward our own rights, and must be actively politically involved in our governmental system.




That actually came out much less disjointed and difficult to understand than I expected, So I think I'll leave it here, except to say that that video was, as I had rather expected it to be, a blatant piece of propaganda which is really quite sketchy on details and misrepresentative of facts and indeed of "the homosexual agenda."


Also, I'm disappointed that they didn't address all the things they talked about being bad and horrific regarding the homosexual agenda during the commercial break, like the repeal of DADT.

I'm sure I could go find a video on how Christians are destroying the world, but I won't because I don't feel that it's a need to push my views/concepts on other people unlike some people....

So about this research: several studies have found what I claim, although there is disputing research. Nevertheless, the balance seems to be on my side on this one.

(See: Kirkpatrick M, Smith C, Roy R (July 1981). "Lesbian mothers and their children: a comparative survey". Am J Orthopsychiatry 51 (3): 545–51. ,
Golombok S, Spencer A, Rutter M (October 1983). "Children in lesbian and single-parent households: psychosexual and psychiatric appraisal". J Child Psychol Psychiatry 24 (4): 551–72. ,
And Green R, Mandel JB, Hotvedt ME, Gray J, Smith L (April 1986). "Lesbian mothers and their children: a comparison with solo parent heterosexual mothers and their children". Arch Sex Behav 15 (2): 167–84., among others )

Howdy Y'all,

The impression that I git from y'all,is that you've been severely propagandized to believe that there's absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality and their agenda.

Modern liberalism is succeeding at destroying moral absolutes and y'all have been convinced that anything goes..yer primed and ready,to approve of 'rights' for the next group of deviant lifestyle choices.

Y'all don't see how this is all coerced tolerance on the part of the GLBT community and that it promotes discrimination and censure,against children of faith and their families.

Obviously,Death is right about Christians and other faiths,that they should withdraw their children from public schools,unfortunately,it's not very practical or affordable..but it's certainly do-able.

Have a good one ...

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So I'm "Severely propagandized" am I ???

Do you actually know any gay people Torog? Because a lot of us have homosexual siblings, cousins, friends. We're not viewing "the gays" as some aggressive agenda pushing army of deviants like you are want to do... they are members of our own families, they are our loved ones.

Tolerance of homosexuals does not promote discrimination against children of faith and their families no matter what kind of spin you and your paranoid bunch of hate spreaders try to put on it. It's about equal rights and legal protection for all, gay couples and gay families included. For instance,

medical consent and next of kin issues
child access rights and maintenance obligations
the benefit of not paying capital gains tax on inheritance from their spouse

In some cases people are left in homes they have to sell or remortgage because they can't afford the inheritance tax.

None of this in any way endangers the rights of hetrosexual couples or their families. You are not a marginalised oppressed minority (LOL) so get over yourself and your intolerance. Your love of Jesus hasn't actually taught you very much about Love and Compassion at the end of the day, it's just given you enough justification to hate and condemn your fellow man.

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Thers only one of us here that has been "severely propagandized" and that is YOU.
The only one I see promoting discrimination and censure is YOU.

What we all want is equal rights for our fellow human beings regardless of race, religion or sexuality (I do not include those who engage in illegal sex acts such as beastiality or peadophilia)

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[quote=Torog;83133]Howdy Y'all, The impression that I git from y'all,is that you've been severely propagandized to believe that there's absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality and their agenda.

Agenda? What, to live a normal life and be accepted and loved regardless of their sexual preference? Shame on them. Oh, I forgot the agenda is to recruit and convert people to gayism right?

The impression I get from you is that you have been severely brainwashed or raised to hate anything and everything, but straight white Americans who share in your beliefs. I used to get all upset when I read certain things that you posted, but now I am to a point where I just feel sad for the life you are leading. I don't know much about you personally but I hope that you didn't have any kids and if you do then my prayers are with them.

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That is actually funny Torog. Do you know why? Because its bullshit. Bullshit is funny. The ONLY person who is severely blinded is you. It really isn't our problem that you were raised to believe other people's beliefs instead of your own... you see, in a way its just isn't your fault that you are this narrow minded and filled with hate... for you are a product of your environment.
I on the other hand, was raised in a house with a serious Catholic mother, and a father who who wasn't religious at all, so I was taught to believe what I feel is right.... not what a group of scared people made up because they are to scared to believe in nothing.

I have close family members who are gay. I have friends who are gay, and I am physically disgusted with your words of hate towards them. You are disgusting.

This is almost just further proof that this doesn't even seem serious to you Torog. That you are just doing this to see how much you can piss everybody off. Do you believe in psychiatrists??! Because I think you need one.
You need to be more tolerant of everybody else's beleifs and ways of living. I realize I am not being very tolerant of you either, but that is because you have MORE then crossed a line... so I am crossing one too. You keep telling us we are wrong, and tellings how to believe, telling us what is right. Of course I can't speak for everybody on the boards.. but I am saying to piss off and take your hate somewhere else.

How do you like to be attacked? How do you like to be told how it is? How do you like to be told how to live your life, and form your beliefs??
Yeah... thats what a thought. Move along.

Peace.

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