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Torog · 03-12-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SmYthie

where was your outrage when countless women have been raped by straight men?

it doesnt matter, gay or straight, this sh*t happens. why the f*ck do you think that gays are so much more sexually deviant then straight men?

and are you telling me that my good friend who is homosexual is gonna rape people. he's already proved himself to be a much nicer, more moral (he isnt religious, he just knows how to be a nice guy), and extremely giving (he packs as much weed as i can smoke and doesnt let others pack bowls almost ever).

if i got this straight your trying to tell me that gays are nothing more than sexual predators trying to stick there dick in anything they can. no, they just dont like women. apparently vaginas look like gaping wounds to them. so the f*ck what.

gay guys dont like pussy, i dont like pork grinds. we both have something in common: we are disgusted by something. following that logic, anyone that is disgusted by anything must be a rapist. oh wait! torog is disgusted by gays. nah, that doesnt work i guess because torog is the 2nd coming of christ. damn, i'm confused torog please enlighten me. this logic seems to have contradicted itself!

Howdy SmYthie,

Are ya answering for Donnie now ?

Given the fact that I have a wonderful daughter,I git outraged everytime I hear of a rape..but apparently you suggest that you don't,because that kind of "sh*t" happens.

My daughter was sexually assaulted by a bi-sexual pedophile,when she was only 4 years old,and I've been outraged by sexually-confused people who continue to sexually predate others,every since that day..and before..it became a personal thing-so I'm prejudiced already and I ain't buying the excuses that I've heard so far.

No I ain't saying that yer 'good' homosexual friend is gonna go out and rape someone..I'm sure that percentile of homosexual predators,is the smaller number amongst homosexuals.

I'm not the only one disgusted by the GLBT community,God was so disgusted,that He destroyed Sodom and Gommorah..and you expect me to ignore God's Wrath in this matter ?

It's one thing for homosexuals to have the same rights as others,a whole nother thing when their 'rights' are given priority over everyone else's rights..and when they invade the schools and invade our churches and now they expect all of society to re-define the meaning of marriage for them.

The UK already has passed hate-speech laws that silence folks of faith,it's coming soon to America - mark my words. It will probably come in the same Bill that will be passed that will allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military.

So tell yer homosexual buddy,that the Bible Belt ain't done fighting his militant homosexual friends - not by a long-shot.

Have a good one ...

SmYthie · 03-12-2009, 04:57 PM

i'm sorry about your daughter. my cousin was raped by a straight man. its terrible, but sexual preference isnt what causes rape...its violent attitudes created by aggressive males.

i'm sorry to here that you will keep fighting my "militant homosexual" friends. when my gay ex-dorm president makes triple figures i'll know who won. i guess i just am confused why everything has to be turned into war. I've never heard a gay guy say anything so dehumanizing as your last statement:

"So tell yer homosexual buddy,that the Bible Belt ain't done fighting his militant homosexual friends - not by a long-shot."

there are so many choices in life. you choose to follow the christian faith. what if you were raised differently and saw the christian faith as barbaric? you have to learn to put yourself in other peoples shoes. People in psychology argue "what's more influential, nature or nurture?" and you have to realize that much of it is nature, but a huge part is the nurture half (how one was raised). when you think about how many people were raised with beliefs different from your own it makes you much more conscious of your beliefs and whether or not they make sense. I was raised catholic, i realized that there are more muslims in the world than christians, and it made me question my religion. i didn't throw it all out, because much of it does make sense: respect ones parents, don't steal, dont covet thy neighbor's wife. but other parts don't. the real key parts are what it means to be a decent person; yea being a selfless person can be difficult, but it is something very positive to strive for. its the effort, not the final product.

i guess i have nothing more to say because it sounds like your mind can't be changed. family love is important, and i feel lately that certain liberals have kinda pushed us away from the idea that family should come first. that said, loving those in your community is definitely a close second place as far as importance goes and all i'm saying is that i know my friends with alternative lifestyles are good people. i guess i'm out, good luck torog

SmYthie · 03-12-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DonnieDarko

Those are the facts .. SmYthie, and an even worse crime was how the leadership of the church covered up the the crimes, moved the offenders to new locations ... and fought hard against civil penalties ..

I actually have a small amount of compassion for the priests .. I knew 2 of them in real life (one was the priest who ran our marriage classes, the other the priest who married us ) ... They were very devoted and caring people who took vows to be unnaturally celibate ... It's a very sad situation for all.

yea, i know a good catholic priest. i meant no offense to the many good hearted religious folks out there, because i know there are alot. its just the intolerance that gets me

SmYthie · 03-12-2009, 05:13 PM

and as far as the hate speech act in the UK, what is wrong with that? i'm sure you would be okay with it if it prevent hate speech just against christians. What if there was a religion that embraced homosexuality? we live in a country of freedom of religion (which implies in itself that different people can believe what they want). wouldnt it make sense to silence christians then if they chose to make hate about one's homosexual religion? one of the few solid laws of the land here is that one can pursue there own happiness as long as it doesnt affect others. so yes, you should be able to practice christianity but NO you shouldnt be able to rip on gay guys (well you can say what you want, but you shouldnt try to prevent them from having the right to do what they want) because that interferes with there pursuit of happiness. and i know you'll say that the founders believe in god who said homosexuality was a sin, but if they embrace freedom of religion they clearly cannot limit themselves to the morals of there one god. they have to think "what is fair and decent? what would i want if i was in there position"? because that is the real goal of organized religion

if thats what you want to do, you've got the wrong country dude. you have to imagine for a second if you were gay and in love with a man (i know it may be hard to imagine), and you had the same feelings for that man as you do for your girlfriend of 14 years. Maybe you should take some LSD. lol, i'm kidding...just trying to lighten the mood; but it did help me come to a better understanding of empathy. i dont give a fuck what people do, as long as i can do what i want to do

i'm not religious, but i am spiritual. maybe the christian god does exist, but i'm in a search for the truth and when i find it it will become clear. i'm sure god doesnt want us killing those who are different, because he created them too. if he created them just to stir up controversy, well then he has a sick idea of humor.

ok, now i mean it, i am done.

Death · 03-12-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Torog

I'm not the only one disgusted by the GLBT community,God was so disgusted,that He destroyed Sodom and Gommorah..and you expect me to ignore God's Wrath in this matter ?

You know, I've always wondered about this. I mean, I'm no bible scholar, but has it ever occurred to you, you know, in the back of your mind, or whatever...that maybe God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because...THEY RAPED GOD'S MESSENGERS?!? And maybe not because of their evil homosexual ways?

I mean, call me Mr. Silly, but I think that it's far more likely that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed* due to their lack of hospitality and attempted angel-rape more than anything else--especially considering God's words in Ezekiel: "Sodom never did what you and your daughters have done...She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me."

*Not that I actually believe this event occurred in any real sense; I am speculating on the moral message of the tale, not its literal truth or accuracy.

Torog · 03-13-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmYthie

and as far as the hate speech act in the UK, what is wrong with that? i'm sure you would be okay with it if it prevent hate speech just against christians. What if there was a religion that embraced homosexuality? we live in a country of freedom of religion (which implies in itself that different people can believe what they want). wouldnt it make sense to silence christians then if they chose to make hate about one's homosexual religion? one of the few solid laws of the land here is that one can pursue there own happiness as long as it doesnt affect others. so yes, you should be able to practice christianity but NO you shouldnt be able to rip on gay guys (well you can say what you want, but you shouldnt try to prevent them from having the right to do what they want) because that interferes with there pursuit of happiness. and i know you'll say that the founders believe in god who said homosexuality was a sin, but if they embrace freedom of religion they clearly cannot limit themselves to the morals of there one god. they have to think "what is fair and decent? what would i want if i was in there position"? because that is the real goal of organized religion

if thats what you want to do, you've got the wrong country dude. you have to imagine for a second if you were gay and in love with a man (i know it may be hard to imagine), and you had the same feelings for that man as you do for your girlfriend of 14 years. Maybe you should take some LSD. lol, i'm kidding...just trying to lighten the mood; but it did help me come to a better understanding of empathy. i dont give a f*ck what people do, as long as i can do what i want to do

i'm not religious, but i am spiritual. maybe the christian god does exist, but i'm in a search for the truth and when i find it it will become clear. i'm sure god doesnt want us killing those who are different, because he created them too. if he created them just to stir up controversy, well then he has a sick idea of humor.

ok, now i mean it, i am done.

Howdy SmYthie,

The thing is,is that there is no religion that embraces homosexuality,but there are churches who have given into political-correctness and also have arrogantly and foolishly,believe that they can rewrite God's Words so that it fits in with the current political correctness of the day. These churches often have women preachers,some of whom are homosexual(lesbian) and they probably have no compunctions against allowing an unrepentant homosexual into the church or marrying two people of the same-sex.

Some folks and pundits on the Right,would argue that there is a new 'religion' in America..it's called the 'God-lessness of the Left',and it's a religion where anything goes,as long as it brings ya pleasure,it's considered legitimate..all ya have to do to join this 'church',is to be a registered democrat.

As for taking LSD,I've probably taken more that you could shake a stick at..and I learned how to be emphathetic towards others,long before I took my first hit of 'cid.

Have a good one ...

LibertarianToker · 03-13-2009, 03:46 PM

"believe that they can rewrite God's Words"

ROTFLMAO at religous freskyness! Son, most all christians do this rewriting of the word thats is claimed to be gods. Not just liberals. It's kinda freaky that you mix politics and religion so tight torog. You label (judge) the left as godless when you have to know that there are way better christians then you could ever hope to be on the left. Like that Jesus feller, he was a liberal lefty by your standards. I have seen something that the religious right does with gods word over the years too. They ignore it!

Toker

SmYthie · 03-13-2009, 03:50 PM

i was too, acid only enhanced that. if you were empathetic i dont think this argument would be happening. you probably have taken more than I, but i know people who have taken too much and they now are fairly eccentric and dont listen to reason.

and you kinda missed my point. I could have a "vision" and start a religion. It would be a legit religion, and it could embrace homosexuality. Religion isn't synonymous with a christian god, like you mentioned that different secs of christianity has given in.

and you constantly ignore the fact that wearing clothes with different fibers (cotten and polyester), and doing as little as tying your shoes on a sunday is considered a sin and is punishable by death. ok, i won't say that you break these rules because i dont know you personally, but i have a funny suspicion you have. if you can pick and choose what morals you want to follow then why not everybody else?

Torog · 03-14-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SmYthie

i was too, acid only enhanced that. if you were empathetic i dont think this argument would be happening. you probably have taken more than I, but i know people who have taken too much and they now are fairly eccentric and dont listen to reason.

and you kinda missed my point. I could have a "vision" and start a religion. It would be a legit religion, and it could embrace homosexuality. Religion isn't synonymous with a christian god, like you mentioned that different secs of christianity has given in.

and you constantly ignore the fact that wearing clothes with different fibers (cotten and polyester), and doing as little as tying your shoes on a sunday is considered a sin and is punishable by death. ok, i won't say that you break these rules because i dont know you personally, but i have a funny suspicion you have. if you can pick and choose what morals you want to follow then why not everybody else?

Howdy SmYthie,

There's already a religion that embraces homosexuality,it's called 'satanism',because homosexuality is a perversion of God's Creation..and anything at odds with what God has created,is embraced by satanists.

There are many false religions,yers would just be adding to the list.

As for wearing mixed-fiber clothes and tying my shoes( I ain't got any shoes with shoe-strings,just RedWing boots) on Sunday,I ain't never heard anyone at my church,bring up those issues and I can only imagine,that ya got those examples from a liberal attack manual or Democratic Underground dot org..lol.

Have a good one ...

SmYthie · 03-14-2009, 03:17 PM

whether or not a religion is false doesnt matter. a country would not have been founded upon freedom of religion if they thought there was only one religion, since there would then be no need for it.

those things are mentioned are in the bible. i probably did hear it from a liberal source, but it was more in the effort to find out facts about religion. You yourself are fairly liberal though, considering how badly you want regulation concerning marriage.

all i'm trying to do by continuing this conversation is show you how it feels to have ones beliefs questioned. I bet you know many great christians, and i know a few. I know some great homosexuals. the name of this thread is "Speechless - silencing christians" but this thread keeps appearing in recent new posts so i bet its far from silent. i guess i'm starting to tire of this argument though, since it isnt really getting anywhere.

i guess i sympathize for gays because i was picked on alot when i was in elementary school. I know a few others who were bullied unmercifully and they ended up being gay. I was called gay at the time also. Although i'm straight, and was born that way, they were clearly not long before they ever admitted to being gay. they were the first people i knew to have "girlfriends" in, what now is apparent, and obvious attempt to hide their homosexuality. i guess my point is if god is going to punish them, and most gays have either been alienated before or are stilling being alienated, why not do the humane thing and let them feel some amount of self respect and dignity. I guess though you really have to understand lonliness to be able to see how bad it can be to be the only kid on the playground with no friends...and then understand why those kids grow up wanting to find acceptance, or at least not get attacked.

when i talk to that friend of mine who is very giving with weed, he has mentioned dancing to really gay songs when he was young along with other things that are inherently female actions...i knew him at that time, and even though everyone called him gay because his voice and appearance were feminine, he always tried to appear straight. so i guess my point is, even though he tried to be straight he still did gay things regardless of what his peers influenced by calling him gay. and in the end he finally admitted it to himself and can finally have friends who accept him for who he is.

imagine a world where islam was the dominant religion. in islam you are suposed to convert or you become and enemy (from what i've heard, i dont want to guarentee by accuracy on that). imagine if you were the lone christian in this group and after years someone else came to you and said it was okay to be christian?

LibertarianToker · 03-14-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy SmYthie,

There's already a religion that embraces homosexuality,it's called 'satanism',because homosexuality is a perversion of God's Creation..and anything at odds with what God has created,is embraced by satanists.

There are many false religions,yers would just be adding to the list.

As for wearing mixed-fiber clothes and tying my shoes( I ain't got any shoes with shoe-strings,just RedWing boots) on Sunday,I ain't never heard anyone at my church,bring up those issues and I can only imagine,that ya got those examples from a liberal attack manual or Democratic Underground dot org..lol.

Have a good one ...

Torog you have no morals. None what so ever even though you claim to be absolutly moral. You follow not your book of morals and change the word of your god to suit your idea of what he should be. There is absolutly nothing absolute about your morals accept that they are absolutley non-existent if your morals come from that book because you do not follow that book at all.

As for all this talk of muslims gays being cared for over there by us over here, from your book of morals we read to take the log from they own eye first, then you can see clearly to take the sliver from your brothers eye. You cry huge tears about a few israeli, yet you say nothing about all the suffering they bring down on women and children in the concentration camp called gaza. Seems to me that you give advise you do not follow yourself. Your idea of what the US should be is a disgusting theocracy just like muslim countrys. Grow up torog, and lay down your hate. It only creates more hate.

As for militant gays, if there is any, people like you made them by constently attacking gays. Personlly, I would like to see more militant gays invade your lame ass churches. I think its funny as hell to see you get that upset over something your side has been doing for hundreds of years.

One more thing. The right, is also full of gays. Prolly more so then the left. Its not a gay vs straight thing for you, it is a left vs right thing. Problem is, there are gay godless heathens on both sides. You only condem one side though, and that means you serve man, not god. If god hates liberal gays, he hates conservetive ones too. You never condem conservetive gays, why is that torog?

Toker

DonnieDarko · 03-14-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SmYthie

the name of this thread is "Speechless - silencing christians" but this thread keeps appearing in recent new posts so i bet its far from silent. i guess i'm starting to tire of this argument though, since it isnt really getting anywhere.

You're right SmYthie ... Once Torog's argument becomes "I'm right because God says so" and "Anyone who disagrees with me is worshipping Satan" ... There is really no reason to continue ...

He is totally out of intellectual ammo (again) ... so expect him to hijack a new thread in a day or 2 ... like gay bashing Elton John in the Music forum , or "Three Men and a Baby" in the Television forum ...

heartguy · 03-16-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy SmYthie,

There's already a religion that embraces homosexuality,it's called 'satanism',because homosexuality is a perversion of God's Creation..and anything at odds with what God has created,is embraced by satanists.

There are many false religions,yers would just be adding to the list.

As for wearing mixed-fiber clothes and tying my shoes( I ain't got any shoes with shoe-strings,just RedWing boots) on Sunday,I ain't never heard anyone at my church,bring up those issues and I can only imagine,that ya got those examples from a liberal attack manual or Democratic Underground dot org..lol.

Have a good one ...

Wrong again, ALL people, YES ALL, are made in God's image, including gays, So God loves them as much as he loves hetero's, Jesus loved everyone, sinners and non-sinners alike, are we to do any different than Jesus? All religions that want 10% of a person's earnings are satonic because money was frowned upon by Jesus , even he trashed a place because of money. So, there for, money is satonic and all religions wanting that 10% are following the devil. Just remember the translation of the origional scrolls was by church leaders, for church leaders only to benifit them. Not even all the scrolls were used , only the "ones" they [chruch leaders] needed. Which "religion " is the true one? Catholics, baptists?, I'd love to know that answer and the facts backing that up.

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kiwi · 03-16-2009, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by heartguy

Wrong again, ALL people, YES ALL, are made in God's image, including gays, So God loves them as much as he loves hetero's, Jesus loved everyone, sinners and non-sinners alike, are we to do any different than Jesus? All religions that want 10% of a person's earnings are satonic because money was frowned upon by Jesus , even he trashed a place because of money. So, there for, money is satonic and all religions wanting that 10% are following the devil. Just remember the translation of the origional scrolls was by church leaders, for church leaders only to benifit them. Not even all the scrolls were used , only the "ones" they [chruch leaders] needed. Which "religion " is the true one? Catholics, baptists?, I'd love to know that answer and the facts backing that up.

heart

Well put heart....

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