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i must disagree with you here heart. a story that is "based" on factual events can be MUCH different than what went on. the fact that it was based on may simply have been that there was a giant flood and noah gathered on to it 2 of every animal that he had on his farm. the story has developed and mutated after hundreds and thousands of years since then.

many cultures have a flood myth, about 12,000 years ago the last ice age was receding, liquifying a lot of water into the local rivers, lakes and oceans, oftentimes creating new channels to get there. read the wiki for more on the factual base to the great flood story.

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Very true tokin, flood myths have been around forever, however some of the bibles embellishments are just plain ridiculous, like the fact that a wooden ship the size of the ark has never been built before or since.

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The size of an ark to hold even a few thousand pairs of animals woulds be huge. At that time there were no power tools, the man power necessary to build a ship anywhere's near that size, would of required thousands of men and many decades to , cut the trees, shape the wood, cut it to size then fabricate a ship out of it. Hardly a weekend project for a family. An impossible task, to gather an impossible number of animals, to house, feed and water that impossible number of pairs of animals. That story , i'm sorry to say , is just that "a story" not based on any facts or any building needs or , well you see where i'm coming from. Thisstory is so far beyond any "reasonable' thought that if noah had built a ship the size of the queen mary, it still wouldn't be able to hold even 1% of the animals. There isn't one fact in that whole story, not 1


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Actually i was implying the engineering problem, not the zoological one(though this is another obvious problem with the story). No wooden ship that size has ever been built because it is impossible to do so. Such a ship would not be able to stay afloat.

Wait, i know! That hand of god held it up! How could I have been so blind.

I know tokin already linked the article, but this is the key part featuring possible factual bases for the flood myths that seem to pervade so many ancient cultures. Deluge myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Howdy SmYthie,

The sentence that ya quoted,is not contradictory in the least,it's a statement based on numerous facts and studies.

When the Founding Fathers wrote the phrase "pursuit of happiness",do ya think that they had pursueing sexual perversion in mind ?

If we take yer statement: "if anything, not giving homosexuals the right to marry actually goes against the constitution, the american way, and our morals of acceptance and pursuit of happiness." ..and substitute 'homosexuals' with beastialists or pedophiles or whatever sexual perversion there is,you can justify creating 'rights' for anything or anyone.

America is on the verge of being like 1930's nazi germany,not because of moral absolutists like me,but because of the democrats/leftists who support hate-speech laws and euthanasia and abortion on demand,only this time around,it's aimed at Christians and other folks of faith,who believe that homosexuality is a perversion of God's plan of creation,which it clearly is.

In the name of political correctness,y'all are silent when Christian churches have their services invaded by homosexual activists and in the case of the Catholic church in San Francisco,the eucharist was defiled..will y'all also be silent when militant homosexuals burn down a church full of people ?

Even though muslims routinely execute homosexuals,y'all never object to that and the homosexuals ain't got the spine to invade their services,why is that ?

I reckon that before Obama's term is over,we will see hate-speech legislation proposed,that will attempt to silence all folks of faith..and it won't just be militant homosexuals invading churches,it will be the goverment too.

Have a good one ...

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Well Good Morning, Mr. Cranky Pants. At 5:28 AM, these were your thoughts? Was there pea under your mattress last night?

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Righteousness will always prevail!

Christians and other folks of faith,who believe that homosexuality is a perversion of God's plan of creation,which it clearly is.

it only "clearly is" in your eyes. other's , like me, believe in the teachings of Jesus, "love one another as I have loved you" not the hate people who have no love or comassions spew' Christians always quote that old testament verse. those books are NOT christian, the NEW TESTAMENT is. Find a vrese that puts down gays from the new testament, there isn't one. follow jesus's teachings.

Love not hate!!!!
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Where was your outrage when people like Matthew Shepard was tortured and murdered ? Where is your outrage against the historical violence against gay people ... ??

Maybe when gays can live in safety in this country, we can be a little more outraged about what is happening in other parts of the world.

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For gods sake, how many more times are you goning to use this perposterous argument, CHILDREN AND ANIMALS ARE NOT CONSENTING TO SUCH ACTS


If anything wold turn America into the likes of nazi germany it would be christians, your opinion of yourself is like you are part of the master race (just like the nazis), you want to force your beliefs onto others (just like the nazis) and you want to wipe those who are different from yourself (just like the fucking nazis)

If such things happen then they are wrong to do so, but they are just exercising their freedom of speech, just as christians have done at gay rights rallies and events.
Will you be silent if christians burned down a building full of gays, NO you would speculate as to what they done to deserve it and praise those who done it.
You have no fucking right to take the moral high ground with any of us, especially when you have excused much worse acts of violence.

I dont see no muslims here posting there gay hate, just you with your blatant hate of gays and others who dont follow your way of life, but seeing as you brought it up, I object to the death of any innocent people.

Have a gay day at church

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Oh boy. This thread again. Well, nothing for it, I suppose.

Based on numerous facts and studies, huh? Care to trot out these studies you mention that show how homosexuality is destroying the moral fiber of America (your silly video certainly doesn't; it provides only a few pieces of --very weak, even for what it is--anecdotal evidence)? How do you think scientists measure "moral fiber" exactly, anyway?

I think they had the pursuit of love in mind, torog.

True. But you are missing an essential point that has been explained to you many times over--that homosexuality and pedophilia/bestiality are categorically different; the latter is nonconsensual sexual behavior, whereas homosexual behavior is entirely consensual (except in the case of rape, obviously). In short, it would be irresponsible, misleading, and just plain wrong to substitute "pedophile" with "homosexual" in that sentence and claim that the argument has the exact same validity.



Not going to go through the rest of the post quote-by-quote--it's the same tired old "They aren't objecting loudly enough, so they must be for it!" BS. The same obvious disregard for the calls of leaders in the gay community to stop the foolish hatred and attacks on prop 8 supporters, and the same assumption that the one or two quotes he can mine that appear to support violent discrimination against those who believe homosexuality is wrong represent a whole community.

I'm frankly bored with it, and I have better shit to do.

EDIT: And seriously, the Ark discussion is far more interesting.

Howdy Donnie,

Where was yer outrage when Jesse Dirkhising was raped,sodomized and tortured to death,even though he was an un-consenting 13 year old,by 2 homosexual men ?

You probably didn't have any,because the homosexual-supporting liberal MSM didn't want to report what happened to Jesse Dirkhising.

I am disgusted and outraged at the horrible things done to homosexuals,this country treated them horribly,before they finally were able to 'come out' in the '70's.

You state:"Maybe when gays can live in safety in this country, we can be a little more outraged about what is happening in other parts of the world."

So..until "gays" can live safely in this country,we must put off helping anyone else that needs help,no matter how dire - until we provide sanctuary for homosexuals ? Yer saying that the safety of homosexuals come before anyone else's safety ?

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where was your outrage when countless women have been raped by straight men?

it doesnt matter, gay or straight, this shit happens. why the fuck do you think that gays are so much more sexually deviant then straight men?

and are you telling me that my good friend who is homosexual is gonna rape people. he's already proved himself to be a much nicer, more moral (he isnt religious, he just knows how to be a nice guy), and extremely giving (he packs as much weed as i can smoke and doesnt let others pack bowls almost ever).

if i got this straight your trying to tell me that gays are nothing more than sexual predators trying to stick there dick in anything they can. no, they just dont like women. apparently vaginas look like gaping wounds to them. so the fuck what.

gay guys dont like pussy, i dont like pork grinds. we both have something in common: we are disgusted by something. following that logic, anyone that is disgusted by anything must be a rapist. oh wait! torog is disgusted by gays. nah, that doesnt work i guess because torog is the 2nd coming of christ. damn, i'm confused torog please enlighten me. this logic seems to have contradicted itself!

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ya know what else is weird? i've never heard a gay guy (of those i know) say they hated straight guys and thought they shouldnt exist. Funny how such terrible people, according to you, can be so much nicer than christians.

oh yea, and did yall hear the news? some catholic priests sodomized young boys. all christians are child molesters!

i'm sorry if i'm being distasteful

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Those are the facts .. SmYthie, and an even worse crime was how the leadership of the church covered up the the crimes, moved the offenders to new locations ... and fought hard against civil penalties ..

I actually have a small amount of compassion for the priests .. I knew 2 of them in real life (one was the priest who ran our marriage classes, the other the priest who married us ) ... They were very devoted and caring people who took vows to be unnaturally celibate ... It's a very sad situation for all.

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