God...

CitrisDiesel · 02-29-2008, 03:38 PM

No, I do not "believe" in your judaochristian God Torog, nor do I believe in unicorns or lepricons. Neither one of us has any idea what happens when any of us die, but what I can tell you is that I wouldn't be interested in going to your heaven even if god asked me really nicely. A god who requires your faith and prays to gain his favor is purely a humon conception, and if it where not I still would rather have dinner with the devil, at least he's honest. I can only joke like this torog, because I view common modern christianity in the same light as you view the gods on Mount Olympius. I don't claim to know whats going to happen to you when you die though, even though you claim to know what is going to happen to neohipster and I imagine myself now too when we die. I am surprised with your glee and carcasm with regards to what I imagine to you would be a very serious subject, the fate of someones immortal soul. A child follows the rules out of fear of punishment or for the sake of reward.

Torog · 02-29-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CitrisDiesel

No, I do not "believe" in your judaochristian God Torog, nor do I believe in unicorns or lepricons. Neither one of us has any idea what happens when any of us die, but what I can tell you is that I wouldn't be interested in going to your heaven even if god asked me really nicely. A god who requires your faith and prays to gain his favor is purely a humon conception, and if it where not I still would rather have dinner with the devil, at least he's honest. I can only joke like this torog, because I view common modern christianity in the same light as you view the gods on Mount Olympius. I don't claim to know whats going to happen to you when you die though, even though you claim to know what is going to happen to neohipster and I imagine myself now too when we die. I am surprised with your glee and carcasm with regards to what I imagine to you would be a very serious subject, the fate of someones immortal soul. A child follows the rules out of fear of punishment or for the sake of reward.

Howdy CitrusDiesel,

Well at least we know where each other stands,in regards to our beliefs. That you can claim the king of lies,is more honest than God..is somewhat surprising.

I should treat the subject of one's immortal soul,more seriously,but if i did-I would come off as being too heavy handed and lose the opportunity for further debate with the individual who doesn't believe in or take their immortal soul,seriously.

I must say,that I'm somewhat surprised at the number of stoners who aren't spiritual,even after smoking weed for a number of years..

It's one thing to choose to not believe in God or His Son,Jesus Christ..but to choose to believe that the only things in Heaven or Earth,are those things that we can see,touch,hear,smell or taste..seems to me,to be a sad existance and two-dimensional in it's scope. It's like believeing that the world is flat.

Have a good one ...

neohipster · 03-02-2008, 08:17 PM

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I must say,that I'm somewhat surprised at the number of stoners who aren't spiritual,even after smoking weed for a number of years..

some view weed as bringing them closer to god. some view weed as the source of thc, a chemical which reacts with your brain in certain ways that are pleasant. i fall in the latter category.

DonnieDarko · 03-03-2008, 12:05 AM

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I must say,that I'm somewhat surprised at the number of stoners who aren't spiritual,even after smoking weed for a number of years..

Any stoner who gets pulled over with a full baggie in his pocket believes in God ... because guaranteed ... he or she is praying to somebody ...

Donnie

halffoot · 03-03-2008, 12:17 AM

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Any stoner who gets pulled over with a full baggie in his pocket believes in God ... because guaranteed ... he or she is praying to somebody ...

Donnie

Nope, anytime I've been pulled over(and was fortunate enough to not be searched) I was too busy inventing cursewords(when the officer was not present of course) to pray to any imaginary entities who might come down and make the cop leave me alone.

DonnieDarko · 03-03-2008, 01:40 AM

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Nope, anytime I've been pulled over(and was fortunate enough to not be searched) I was too busy inventing cursewords(when the officer was not present of course) to pray to any imaginary entities who might come down and make the cop leave me alone.

I hope that works out for ya, halffoot ... for me, I'll continue to pray and have a chance that the prayers will be answered. Over my 50 years here .... I have had prayers answered.

Donnie

Clutch · 03-03-2008, 02:43 AM

shit happens

CitrisDiesel · 03-03-2008, 07:05 AM

Shit happens, thats for sure.

For someone to suggest that their good fortune is due to prayer and divine intervention on their behalf would suggest that their aren't good people who have horrible things happen to them, true believers who pray everyday that their cancer goes into remission and instead die an agonizing death. And someone can suggest that their luck was really the all knowing creator paying attention to and intervening in the life of a single human being. That takes a good deal of narsacism if you ask me, and it seems almost offensive.

You're more likely to find individuals here at this site, or any other group of stoners, who are atheist, agnostic, or not interested in organized religion or religious belief. This is because our similiar interest, for most of us, required that we think for ourselves and question the things we were taught growing up. The government spends a great deal of our tax money teaching you that marijuana is bad, but you didn't listen to them. Just like your parents or other influential person in your life taught you that god is good, which may be just harder to question for some people. Because its certainly not the overwhelming evidence or obvious conclusion based on rational intelectual reasoning that convinces one to join any particular religious faith.

DonnieDarko · 03-03-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CitrisDiesel

Shit happens, thats for sure.

For someone to suggest that their good fortune is due to prayer and divine intervention on their behalf would suggest that their aren't good people who have horrible things happen to them, true believers who pray everyday that their cancer goes into remission and instead die an agonizing death.

I didn't suggest that there aren't good people who have bad things happen to them. I didn't even say that all of my prayers have been answered, but because some do get answered ... I've tended to continue. I don't claim to have all the answers, I'm not a religious person ... but I've evolved into a very spiritual person over the years.

Donnie

neohipster · 03-06-2008, 04:41 AM

for our purposes, the words spiritual and religious don't require destinction

HighFlyin5 · 03-21-2008, 02:16 PM

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I believe that there is some sort of higher power that created the universe. Some would call that God. I think that this being is so infinite and incomprehensible that it is hard for the human mind to wrap itself around what God truly is. Think of it this way. Before the universe existed there was nothing, except for God. When God created the universe he used the only thing he could, himself. I believe that anything and everything is god. God had to create the universe out of himself/herself/itself. I think thats what the bible was trying to say when Jesus said that God is omnipotent. God is all. All is God. I also think we give the human mind a lot less credit than it deserves. I think that much of what we attribute to divine intervention or miracles is really just the power of the collective human mind. If enough people pray for something or believe in something it will happen. Just look at some of those monks in tibet. I saw a thing where they wrapped all these monks in soaking wet towels and within minutes steam was coming off of the towels because the monks were heating them up via meditation. I also saw this other video where this one monk who was sort of healer was able to create shocks of what appeared to be electricity by using his chi energy. He was also able to light a newspaper on fire just by putting his hands near it. He said he learned the meditation technique from his old master. It didn't appear there was any way he could fake it.

Anyways, sorry for going off on a tangent. Its just my 2 cents

You took the words directly out of my mouth on this one. and I agree with you 100%. I believe that humans put the label "god" on this higher power as a way to comprehend the awesomeness of its power. not trying to offend anyone, just my opinion=]

God...

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