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now however funny and ironic i think it is for the catholic church to say peodophillia is a sin (which comes under the "Violation of fundamental rights of human nature" sin), as well as Accumulating excessive wealth, considering the catholic church is one of the richest organizations in the world, i think this subject would be interesting to discuss...
I especially want to know the thoughts of our christian members, would you stop smoking pot or cigarettes, or stop drinking alchohol and any other drugs (which technically include prescription pills) that you may take all because your religious leaders say it's bad all of a sudden?
Any opinions from non-religious people are also of course welcome and wanted, what impact do you think this will have on society as a whole?
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I was born and raised Catholic? Were you? Do you know anything about the religion besides the fact that they take in money and the occasional priest touches a little boy?
I don't practice organized religion anymore because I don't agree with all that they say. But the majority of Catholic churchs have a beautiful community. People attend and donate money because of their own faith... and all the money goes to help out local church projects.... so they know where their money is going.
I don't mean to sound harsh, so I apologize for that... I am just sick of people being so judgmental towards catholics... just because it is one of the biggest, wealthiest religions out there. If you don't agree with it, then leave it alone... don't donate money... don't worry about the occasion sick fuck who touches kids (there are tons out there, not just priests) and just don't cast judgments at all.
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don't worry about the occasion sick fuck who touches kids (there are tons out there, not just priests)
It isn't just that simple though, take the case of Fr.Brendan Smyth. For 40years he molested and raped children in a number of differest parishes. The vatican knew about it...what was their answer? Keep moving him around, Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland...the United States...
and what about their view on contraception, couldn't that be seen as "Inflicting poverty" ???
In the Philippines more than 80% of of the population are Roman Catholics and the Church is hugely influential. Abortion is banned and President Gloria Arroyo openly backs the Church's anti-contraception stance. Attempts to pass laws requiring government funding for services like family planning and Aids prevention have all been blocked. Condoms and pills - which had once been free - disappeared from local health centres. Hospitals turned down requests for sterilization operations. Many health workers stopped providing any information whatsoever on contraception.
Yet Francisco Gil the RC bishop of Burgos hold a stock portfolio with 80,000€ of shares in Pfizer.
It's the hypocrisy of it all that gets up people's arses
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Did you know in Ireland condoms (and other contraceptives) were originally available only to those with a doctors prescription.... and some doctors (who sat on their moral high horses) would only issue those prescriptions to persons who were married
This was later lifted to being available only to those over the age of 18 in pharmacies in 1985. Sale outside of pharmacies was only legalised in 1993, when they also lifted the age limit.
The Roman Catholic church had way too much power in this country. Remember Monty Python's 'The Meaning of Life" ???
"Look at them, bloody Catholics, filling the bloody world up with bloody people they can't afford to bloody feed."
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All I was saying is that if you don't agree... then don't agree, but don't go and cast judgments. There are a lot of good catholics out there, and some horrible ones too. I don't think we need a whole thread dedicated to bitching about all of the Catholic religions flaws. There is a lot of scum in the world, not all of which hold the title of Catholic.
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i AM entilted to my opinion you know... i was asking a question about YOUR religion, not judging you... judging IT maybe but i have my reasons...
just because your religion contradicts itself, doesn't mean you have to attack me for voicing what I THINK of it....
and no, i'm not religious in any way, it is my belief that religion is the cause for 90% of the wars in this world... if you disagree name 5 wars throughout history that haven't been fought because of a religous belief of some sort (without lookin through the net, off the top of your head)...
If you believe in your religion so much then you'll HAVE to stop smoking pot... tell me, are you prepared to do that starting now? i didn't think so, so you can't have THAT much faith in your church.
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and what about the fact that Genetic Manipulation could save lives, could cure cancer and all sorts of other illnesses... who tha fuck are the catholic church to say that it is wrong for us to save lives...
i'm sorry, i made this topic to discuss and debate the issue, but your narrow mindedness has just PISSED ME OFF!
You people believe anything is right just because you do it "in the name of God" as if it was a fucking get-out-of-jail-free card...
The Church is the biggest hipocrit in the world, they could end Poverty by giving their 'Accumulated Wealth' to charity's and countries who need it, like a good christian should (isn't that what they always say?), but instead they say it is a sin for anyone to be richer than they are.... wake up and smell the fucking coffee.
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I already said I don't attend church anymore... and I agree with your opinion about war and religion. I also know a lot of good catholic people... and people with strong faith and spirituality. I just don't think we should have a whole thread dedicated to the bashing of one religion.
You get quite lippy and mean when your opinions are threatened. I wasn't trying to piss anybody off... just saying that maybe it wasn't such a great thread to start.
I apologize for replying in the first place.. i certainly didn't want this to happen.
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All I was saying is that if you don't agree... then don't agree, but don't go and cast judgments. There are a lot of good catholics out there, and some horrible ones too.
I was born and raised a roman catholic too, I live in a predominantly roman catholic country, my children attend roman catholic schools.....so when their docterine affects me and mine I have every right to voice my opinion on the topic. I believe their imposed stance on things like contraception especially in economically poorer countries warrants discussion. No one is passing judgement on individual catholic church goers, but when known paedophiles are protected from the law by the HEAD OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH and moved from place to place where they can continue to harm and abuse minors in their care, it's not exactly as easy as "if you don't agree...then don't agree". Corrupt authority should always be questioned, least we become compliant sheep.
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I don't think we need a whole thread dedicated to bitching about all of the Catholic religions flaws. There is a lot of scum in the world, not all of which hold the title of Catholic.
The title of this thread is New Church Sins and possible Impacts on Society..... if you find the subject matter a little sensitive then that's unfortunate but don't try to shut others up by pulling the "there's lot of scum in the world, not all of which hold the title of Catholic"....no one said all catholics were scum. This topic is current, the newseven deadly sins were only issued last month and if you recall the catechism we all had to learn by heart you'd remember that supposedly immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell.....and although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, we were always told that these were grave violations of the 10 commandments and the beatitudes and the seven deadly sins.
So now we're to look forward to hell for drug consumption and accumulating excessive wealth.....Please
Peace to you also PeacefullyStoned....no offense meant and absolutely none taken, just giving my opinion
a chara, Lu
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about what you said in your first... i believe i know more about religion thatn you do peacefully stoned, simply because i am not religious, i can look at each religion with an unbiased view, i can learn from each one and can also find the flaws with each one, i seriously doubt a devout christian would be able to, let alone want to, learn from another major religious culture, just as a muslim would want nothing to do with christianity... despite being 2 sides of the same coin.
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Things that annoy me about religious discussions:
1)Someone claiming to look for opposing views but then lashing out at someone who comes in to defend what they see as an attack on their(or in this case, a familiar) religion
2)People needlessly defending an entire religion when the topic is obviously about the bureaucratic bullshit which basically allows church leaders to arbitrarily declare things they don't like to be sins(which, last I checked, was God's job according to religious folk). You and your friends aren't being attacked for your belief in god PS, the holy mother church is being attacked for acting like a filthy tramp.
3)People who claim to know more about religion than religious people. You don't know more, you have a different perspective. Trust me, theres a difference.
4)People claiming all/most wars are rooted in religion. This one just reeks of logical fallacy. Humans fought before we had religion and we will fight long after we decide to move past it(anyone see the south park where Cartman goes to the future to get a wii, and everyone worships science? not to ruin it, but theres still war.) Religion is certainly used to JUSTIFY war, but its not as commonly the root cause(which, in my opinion, is our brains and the way we're wired. Survival of the fittest, lingering herd/small group mentality, etc)
5)Assumptions based on nothing(several already in this thread)
Since this thread had managed to hit my top 5 annoyances already, I felt compelled to post them. But anywho...
The problem with catholicism isn't with the individual churches and members, its with the Vatican and their quest to control everything. Who made some guys in Rome who wear funny hats the authority on whats right and whats wrong? What make their moral compass better than the rest of ours? Hint: The answer is nothing but their own inflated egos.
I think PS and Wes need to chill out, smoke a bowl, and try to play nice. As usual, Lu is cool headed and presenting excellent verifiable facts for her arguments without yelling at any anyone. We need more like you Lu
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you know, i don't think anyones answered the actual questions i posted anyway... yes i may have made a few remarks that were un-called for when i opened on my first post, but that is my opinion on all religions, those were just examples of my opinion and thoughts on catholic christianity....
but that was not even the point of the thread, the point is the new sins, which should actually concern the christian community on here more than anyone else, i was just wondering if you would quit smoking pot for your religion because they say it's now a sin?
and i was wondering when someone would bring up that episode of south park lol, i'm not nieve enough to think no religion = world peace... but would it really hurt to try something different, it would be worth the effort if it worked... would it not?
and i'm sorry for yelling peacefullystoned, i should've handled it more like Lu
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