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kiwi · 10-20-2009, 04:06 AM

KA WAREA TE WARE, KA AREA TE RANGATIRA

translates.........

IGNORANCE THE OPRESSOR, VIGILANCE THE LIBERATOR

and thats all i have to say...........

karmachick · 10-20-2009, 06:34 AM

I am still confused as to why Gay Marriage is so offensive to you? The Gay community does not need to pervert marriage to use your words,,,humans are already doing that. And to think homosexuality is linked with any form of child abuse is simply absurd. Abuse is about power not sex or sexuality.

Torog · 10-20-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by karmachick

I am still confused as to why Gay Marriage is so offensive to you? The Gay community does not need to pervert marriage to use your words,,,humans are already doing that. And to think homosexuality is linked with any form of child abuse is simply absurd. Abuse is about power not sex or sexuality.

Howdy karmachick,

The reason that yer confused as to why homosexual marriage is so offensive to me,is that I have tried to stay away from the opinions and beliefs of the majority of people,especially religious people,in the world -in order to pretend and entertain the idea that there is no moral or religious reason to object to same-sex marriage,because doing such is what the GLBT community and open-minded,anything goes crowd,demands in regards to this issue. At the least hint of what my feelings and beliefs are,I immediately git scolded and people rush to give me negative karma,because I(and the majority of people in the world) refuse to give the GLBT community every little thing or big thing,that they want-in accordance with political-correctness-which demands such.

The main reason why I find same-sex marriage so offensive,is that I believe that God said that "man shall not lay with man,as he would his wife..". That is my opinion and belief and it is shared by billions of people in the world,including all of Islam where homosexuality is out-lawed and comes with a death penalty,which I think it is wrong to put to death,homosexuals - the point is that the majority of the world has deep religious beliefs against homosexuality. Yet the people who think that I'm awful for denying or objecting to marriage equality for homosexuals,would have us all ignore the beliefs of the majority of the world.

I do not believe that all homosexuals are attracted to children for reasons of sexual gratification,I was referring to the Jesse Dirkhising torture and murder,because the men involved,said they felt that society was now approving of them seeking to have a homosexual relationship with an under-age boy,the point being that broad acceptance and normalization of the GLBT community,emboldened them and empowered them -to do what they did to Jesse Dirkhising. The killers also said that their intent was also to break Jesse's will,while at the same time gitting sexual pleasure from such. So ya see,there are sometimes severe consequences for normalizing abnormal sexuality. It is not a fairy tale world of happiness and no one ever gits harmed world,as the supporters of same-sex marriage would have us all believe.

Have a good one ...

TeeBox · 10-20-2009, 08:02 PM

No one can argue that there are counties in this world where the prevailing religion is the law of the land and many of those countries, if not all of them, have strong anti-homosexually beliefs and rules. That is not the case in the USA. There is a separation of church and state in this country. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant. As I see this issue, the homosexuals in this country and other countries that are pushing for marriage equality are not trying to mix church and state. I am not aware of anyone who supports equality for homosexuals that is bent on forcing any opponent's religion to accept homosexuality.

Those that oppose equality for homosexuals and in particularly oppose granting homosexuals the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy in their marriage bring only two issues to the table, religion and extremism in deviant behavior. They will not acknowledge the separation of the religious connection and minimize the fact that extreme deviant behavior exists in heterosexuals as well.

In my opinion, if a man and a woman can be legally married in the eyes of the state then homosexuals deserve that same right. I do not think it is anymore complicated than that.

There was a time in this country when women did not have the right to vote. At that time, any man that did not want women to have the same right they enjoyed could argue, as Torog has on this subject, that the overwhelming majority of the men feel women should not be able to vote. Fortunately attitudes changed, a movement was born and women were granted the same right a man had when it came to voting. I see the movement toward marriage equality in the same light. As more and more people begin to view this with an eye toward separating this movement from religious acceptance and refuse to be influenced by the fear warnings that allowing homosexuals to marry will destroy the family, I believe homosexuals will win their right to marry and have that marriage recognized by the law.

DonnieDarko · 10-20-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Torog

The main reason why I find same-sex marriage so offensive,is that I believe that God said that "man shall not lay with man,as he would his wife..".

As expected ... after Torog uses 17 posts to hurl smears and false inferrences to the gay communuty .. THEN he plays the "God Card" ... Shame on you Torog .. to use god as an excuse for your personal bigotry and hatred .. It's a tactic thousands of years old .. pick out a line out of the scriptures to justify hate ..

Using Scripture to justify Slavery -->>

Genesis 9:25-27: "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, 'Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japeth live in the tents of Shem and may Canaan be his slave'. "

Using scripture to justify subjugation of women:

Genesis 3:16 : “Your craving will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.”

Using God to justify the prohibition of interracial marriage:

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

smokey · 10-20-2009, 09:52 PM

Firstly just because a big part of the world disagree with homosexuality and same sex marriage does not mean its right.

Secondly I agree with lulu about your use of the case of porr jesse to smear all homosexuals and accuse them of being the same as the sick, twisted people who commited that horrific crime.

Torog · 10-21-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TeeBox

No one can argue that there are counties in this world where the prevailing religion is the law of the land and many of those countries, if not all of them, have strong anti-homosexually beliefs and rules. That is not the case in the USA. There is a separation of church and state in this country. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant. As I see this issue, the homosexuals in this country and other countries that are pushing for marriage equality are not trying to mix church and state. I am not aware of anyone who supports equality for homosexuals that is bent on forcing any opponent's religion to accept homosexuality.

Those that oppose equality for homosexuals and in particularly oppose granting homosexuals the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy in their marriage bring only two issues to the table, religion and extremism in deviant behavior. They will not acknowledge the separation of the religious connection and minimize the fact that extreme deviant behavior exists in heterosexuals as well.

In my opinion, if a man and a woman can be legally married in the eyes of the state then homosexuals deserve that same right. I do not think it is anymore complicated than that.

There was a time in this country when women did not have the right to vote. At that time, any man that did not want women to have the same right they enjoyed could argue, as Torog has on this subject, that the overwhelming majority of the men feel women should not be able to vote. Fortunately attitudes changed, a movement was born and women were granted the same right a man had when it came to voting. I see the movement toward marriage equality in the same light. As more and more people begin to view this with an eye toward separating this movement from religious acceptance and refuse to be influenced by the fear warnings that allowing homosexuals to marry will destroy the family, I believe homosexuals will win their right to marry and have that marriage recognized by the law.

Howdy TeeBox,

The Constitution forbids the establishment of any religion by the goverment,it does not provide for freedom from religion nor forbids the free exercise of one's religious beliefs--that is what's meant by seperation of church and state,much to the chagrin of those who would love to outlaw God and His Son,Jesus Christ..as well as any and all other religions. Even as we speak,there's a group with posters on the New York subway system,telling people that one million New Yorker's do just fine without God. To me that says that the goal is to git people to reject God,because having a belief in God,makes the atheist and secular-progressive movement to socially re-engineer society,much more difficult,because voters bring those religious beliefs with them,to the voting booth.

You state: "I am not aware of anyone who supports equality for homosexuals that is bent on forcing any opponent's religion to accept homosexuality."

Those people and groups,are numerous in this country and apparently you have missed all of the news reports of church invasions by homosexuals and attacks by homosexuals and their supporters,on people of faith..that's clearly an attempt to force all religions to accept homosexuality and I have often asked,why don't homosexuals and their supporters,have the spine to invade muslim mosques like they have done to Christian churches--especially when it's Islam that routinely executes homosexuals in muslim countries. (?)

You also state: "Those that oppose equality for homosexuals and in particularly oppose granting homosexuals the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy in their marriage bring only two issues to the table, religion and extremism in deviant behavior. "

Clearly,you are mis-informed about this as well,because there are more than just two issues involved and that have "been brought to the table",how about the destruction of the traditional family unit,public health concerns and the indoctrination of children,as young as 5 years old,to induce and coerce tolerance for the homosexual life-style that paints such as being free of any problems and ignores both historical and religious concerns ? All of which amounts to discrimination against children of faith and introduces confusion as to the traditional roles of the genders as needed by Nature,in order for Humanity to continue to replenish and propagate the human species.

If a civil union provides the same benefits as marrriage,then it's my opinion that the intent is to destroy the meaning and definition of marriage..it would be a 'victory' over religion and traditional values and is a calculated move to achieve freedom from religion and re-engineer society to be atheistic and secular-progressive,in order to advance moral relativism in all of it's forms and destroy moral absolutism in any form.

Have a good one ...

Torog · 10-21-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by smokey

Firstly just because a big part of the world disagree with homosexuality and same sex marriage does not mean its right.

Secondly I agree with lulu about your use of the case of porr jesse to smear all homosexuals and accuse them of being the same as the sick, twisted people who commited that horrific crime.

Howdy smokey,

I'm pretty certain that I never accused homosexuals as all being like those two homosexuals who tortured and murdered,Jesse Dirkhising-my intent was to show that the two homosexuals felt that society had evolved in acceptance of the homosexual life-style to the point where they felt that society would be somehow more forgiving and accepting of their desire to have a sexual relationship with under-age boys--that there are consequences to the 'normalization' of the homosexual life-style.

I believe that the LGBT community is horrified and sickened by this awful crime and that none would ever justify it in any way.

Have a good one ...

unmeg · 10-21-2009, 07:17 PM

kiwi · 10-21-2009, 10:18 PM

We have a Minister of Parliament over here (new Zealand) who is openly gay and that does not even create a issue of here with the public, he is only under the spot light at the mo for the fact that his travel budget has gone up alot and the ppl want answers. The fact he is gay is fine with the general public and I have heard they are soon to join in a civil union.

3 News > Video > Politics > Carter breaks silence over 'extravagant' travel expenses

CCBlazer · 10-21-2009, 10:42 PM

I have a question that I feel is related to the topic.

If gays can't make babies, how come there's so many of them?

smokey · 10-22-2009, 09:56 AM

Some pepole are just attracted to the same sex it has happened for thousands of years, its just that now its more widely accepted not many feel the need to "stay in the closet", although some would have you believe that they have a secret agenda to recrut more people to their ranks to destroy religious and traditional values and beliefs which imho is totally absurd!

Timmytoohigh · 10-22-2009, 01:08 PM

Question of the day....

How is it that ppl here who post rebuttals get canned for responding to "Shit Tossin' Trolls"...ant said Trolls keep throwin hate filled shit?

Call me stumped...TTH

; deadhorse

TeeBox · 10-23-2009, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy TeeBox,

The Constitution forbids the establishment of any religion by the goverment,it does not provide for freedom from religion nor forbids the free exercise of one's religious beliefs--that is what's meant by seperation of church and state,much to the chagrin of those who would love to outlaw God and His Son,Jesus Christ..as well as any and all other religions. Even as we speak,there's a group with posters on the New York subway system,telling people that one million New Yorker's do just fine without God. To me that says that the goal is to git people to reject God,because having a belief in God,makes the atheist and secular-progressive movement to socially re-engineer society,much more difficult,because voters bring those religious beliefs with them,to the voting booth.

You state: "I am not aware of anyone who supports equality for homosexuals that is bent on forcing any opponent's religion to accept homosexuality."

Those people and groups,are numerous in this country and apparently you have missed all of the news reports of church invasions by homosexuals and attacks by homosexuals and their supporters,on people of faith..that's clearly an attempt to force all religions to accept homosexuality and I have often asked,why don't homosexuals and their supporters,have the spine to invade muslim mosques like they have done to Christian churches--especially when it's Islam that routinely executes homosexuals in muslim countries. (?)

You also state: "Those that oppose equality for homosexuals and in particularly oppose granting homosexuals the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy in their marriage bring only two issues to the table, religion and extremism in deviant behavior. "

Clearly,you are mis-informed about this as well,because there are more than just two issues involved and that have "been brought to the table",how about the destruction of the traditional family unit,public health concerns and the indoctrination of children,as young as 5 years old,to induce and coerce tolerance for the homosexual life-style that paints such as being free of any problems and ignores both historical and religious concerns ? All of which amounts to discrimination against children of faith and introduces confusion as to the traditional roles of the genders as needed by Nature,in order for Humanity to continue to replenish and propagate the human species.

If a civil union provides the same benefits as marrriage,then it's my opinion that the intent is to destroy the meaning and definition of marriage..it would be a 'victory' over religion and traditional values and is a calculated move to achieve freedom from religion and re-engineer society to be atheistic and secular-progressive,in order to advance moral relativism in all of it's forms and destroy moral absolutism in any form.

Have a good one ...

I am more informed than you would like to consider. Just because I do not use isolated radical events, many times by a limited number of participants, to argue for or against a particular subject does not mean I unaware of them.

I find it discouraging that you believe a movement which grows in support everyday to allow gays the same benefits and privilages in marriage that hetrosexuals have always had is intended to destroy the meaning and defination of marriage. IMO the meaning is the same and the definition enhanced, not destroyed.

smokey · 10-23-2009, 09:02 AM

Everything you post is always just your opinion, I see no other religious members (no you're not the only one) coming forward to insult and offend homosexuals the way you do (or even say they are against gay marriage), by saying they are out to destroy the meaning of marriage and traditional values, especially when you use horrific crimes committed by sick twisted people to connect them with the homosexual community as an example of such an agenda.
All of your rants you have you always assume this or assume that and assumptions torog, are the mother of all fuck ups.

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