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Torog · 10-13-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TeeBox

If you applied this same extremist method of debate to other historical events, would one of the arguments against abolishing slavery have been that if we set them free one day we might have a black president? Now there's a slippery slope!

Howdy TeeBox,

Should we do away with the scientific method that routinely involves the calculation of progression of any given situation,because ya claim to do so is "extremist" ?

Is not cause and effect,a large part of any logical discussion ?

Still trying to paint me as a racist ? Didn't MLK Jr. say that man should not be measured by the color of their skin,but rather -the content of their character ?

It is the content of Obama's far-left character that I call into question-not the color of his skin.

Also,I think ya owe Lulu(and Cannavelli and the mods) an apology for yer attempt(or in-advertent) to divert this thread into a personal attack against me.

Have a good one ...

MikeIsGreen · 10-13-2009, 04:02 PM

man you right wingers sure do listen to your puppet masters talking points "religiously". its just like when the government tells you & I that we cant smoke cannabis, but we still do dont we Torog..? I just want equality for all & i'm sure you want the same....TRUST ME my opinions are very unpopular amongst my friends and family, but they're the ones with issues not me...Progressives move forward, Neo Cons are stuck in the 50's

Lulu · 10-13-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Lulu,

If 'Sinead' is a well-known Irish girl's name,then the ad doesn't make sense because the participants are tricked into believeing that it's about a female,not about an Irish homosexual male.

the film makes perfect sense to me... it opens with a nervous guy asking a man for (presumably his girlfriend) sinead's hand in marriage. then we see him walk the country asking person after person the same question.... it closes with the words "how would you feel if you had to ask 4million people (approx pop of ire) for permission to get married?".

in other words, put yourself in someone else's shoes for a minute and recognise the inequality.

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Didn't ya post a video about a homosexual that found out that he doesn't have the extra chromosome that would possibly support a scientific basis for the feller's apparent homosexuality ? Science does not have proof that there's a gene that causes a person to be homosexual from birth and that would support a need for homosexuality to be a part of a heterosexually reproducing species. That would lend support to the idea that homosexuality is a matter of enviromental factors and self-perception.

yes i remember the programme it was called "the making of me".btw i never said there was a gay gene. there is no scientific proof that any one factor alone causes a person to be homosexual. however if you remember the show maybe you remember the brain scans and how the doctors talked of gay men having very female brain patterns. myself, i don't much worry about what the cause is. some people are gay, that's just the way it is and i don't believe their relationships and home life should be any less valid in the eyes of the law than mine or yours. simple

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I choose to adhere forcefully to my beliefs because Nature is the base for that support,because last time I checked,humanity reproduces heterosexually and marriage has always been between a man and woman and children need to be taught such

we have more than one gay couple in our extended family torog and my children are brought up to respect and treat others as they would like to be treated themselves.

speaking of nature though and i know you were asked this before but chose not to reply, why is it do you think that the male g-spot is located in the rectum?

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..otherwise,we should just ban the use of the word of marriage and remove it completely from every language(and history ?) on the face of the earth and call it something else entirely.

lol drama queen much?

Lulu · 10-13-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeIsGreen

I just want equality for all & i'm sure you want the same....

quotes like this one would make you wonder though, no?

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Originally Posted by Torog

Many of us in the 'moral majority',are convinced that 'equal treatment' comes with a price,that being the destruction of marriage and the traditional roles of males and females that Nature itself demands in order for the human species to survive

DonnieDarko · 10-13-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Torog

Many of us in the 'moral majority',are convinced that 'equal treatment' comes with a price,that being the destruction of marriage and the traditional roles of males and females that Nature itself demands in order for the human species to survive.

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TeeBox · 10-14-2009, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy TeeBox,

Should we do away with the scientific method that routinely involves the calculation of progression of any given situation,because ya claim to do so is "extremist" ?

Is not cause and effect,a large part of any logical discussion ?

No, I am not indicating that at all. What I am indicating is that when you go from A to Z and skip the 24 letters in between as your calculated progression, I consider that to be an extremist method of debate. Here is one of your statements in this thread as an example: "Do ya also support poly-amorous marriages ? Are there any limits to 'equal treatment' claims ?" How did you get from the subject of this thread to that question? I personally feel that gays and lesbians should be aloud to experience the same rights and privileges in a civil union that straight individuals do. I do not believe that to be radical thinking by any means. Somehow though, you got all the way to poly-amorous marriages. Seems like an awful lot of skipped letters to me.

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Still trying to paint me as a racist ? Didn't MLK Jr. say that man should not be measured by the color of their skin,but rather -the content of their character ?

It is the content of Obama's far-left character that I call into question-not the color of his skin.

Again, you are mistaken. IMO you do a good enough job of that on your own. You do not need my help. My point in that analogy was to mock the extreme nature of your what if examples.

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Also,I think ya owe Lulu(and Cannavelli and the mods) an apology for yer attempt(or in-advertent) to divert this thread into a personal attack against me.

Seriously, that is what you think? A personal attack, huh? Thread diversion? I won't waste time on a defense but instead I will leave it to Lulu, Cannavelli and all of the mods. I will even include any other member who has posted to this thread. If any of them feels as you do, all they have to do is say so either in this thread or through a PM and I will immediately and with as much sincerity as you can convey in printed words, apologize to all of them and you as well and I will do it here on this thread for all to see.

Equality in marriage only that, nothing more and I support it.

Torog · 10-14-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeIsGreen

man you right wingers sure do listen to your puppet masters talking points "religiously". its just like when the government tells you & I that we cant smoke cannabis, but we still do dont we Torog..? I just want equality for all & i'm sure you want the same....TRUST ME my opinions are very unpopular amongst my friends and family, but they're the ones with issues not me...Progressives move forward, Neo Cons are stuck in the 50's

Howdy Mike,

I want basic human rights for all,but I don't want the meaning ,intent and purpose of marriage to be destroyed in order to accomodate a fraction of the populace whom are demanding rights based on false grounds-that being that Nature has room for and has included in it's design,a behaviour that is counter-productive and destructive of,the human species ability to survive as a species.

Homosexuals often claim that their intent isn't to destroy marriage,that they just want the same legal protections as marriage,well that's what civil unions are for-which means that this desire to be joined in a marital status is about social engineering-not equal treatment.

Have a good one ...

Torog · 10-14-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lulu

the film makes perfect sense to me... it opens with a nervous guy asking a man for (presumably his girlfriend) sinead's hand in marriage. then we see him walk the country asking person after person the same question.... it closes with the words "how would you feel if you had to ask 4million people (approx pop of ire) for permission to get married?".

in other words, put yourself in someone else's shoes for a minute and recognise the inequality.

yes i remember the programme it was called "the making of me".btw i never said there was a gay gene. there is no scientific proof that any one factor alone causes a person to be homosexual. however if you remember the show maybe you remember the brain scans and how the doctors talked of gay men having very female brain patterns. myself, i don't much worry about what the cause is. some people are gay, that's just the way it is and i don't believe their relationships and home life should be any less valid in the eyes of the law than mine or yours. simple

we have more than one gay couple in our extended family torog and my children are brought up to respect and treat others as they would like to be treated themselves.

speaking of nature though and i know you were asked this before but chose not to reply, why is it do you think that the male g-spot is located in the rectum?

lol drama queen much?

Howdy Lulu,

The ad is still based on a lie,no matter how ya try to defend it..in the minds of the people being questioned,there is an image similar to this icon,going on in their heads

..who wouldn't say "yes" to such an idea ?

As for the male 'g-spot' that ya refer to,I think that is a perversion of the female g-spot terminology to convince people that both are the same,when most likely for males,such a 'spot' is not for sexual pleasure,but for stimulating the prostrate gland,similar to sticking yer finger down yer throat in order to produce a vomiting reaction. Homosexuals are trying to convince people that Nature intended for males to have anal intercourse and therefore,somehow justify homosexuality-when in fact we know that doing such leads to serious diseases and bowel disorders.

Have a good one ...

Torog · 10-14-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TeeBox

No, I am not indicating that at all. What I am indicating is that when you go from A to Z and skip the 24 letters in between as your calculated progression, I consider that to be an extremist method of debate. Here is one of your statements in this thread as an example: "Do ya also support poly-amorous marriages ? Are there any limits to 'equal treatment' claims ?" How did you get from the subject of this thread to that question? I personally feel that gays and lesbians should be aloud to experience the same rights and privileges in a civil union that straight individuals do. I do not believe that to be radical thinking by any means. Somehow though, you got all the way to poly-amorous marriages. Seems like an awful lot of skipped letters to me.

Again, you are mistaken. IMO you do a good enough job of that on your own. You do not need my help. My point in that analogy was to mock the extreme nature of your what if examples.

Seriously, that is what you think? A personal attack, huh? Thread diversion? I won't waste time on a defense but instead I will leave it to Lulu, Cannavelli and all of the mods. I will even include any other member who has posted to this thread. If any of them feels as you do, all they have to do is say so either in this thread or through a PM and I will immediately and with as much sincerity as you can convey in printed words, apologize to all of them and you as well and I will do it here on this thread for all to see.

Equality in marriage only that, nothing more and I support it.

Howdy TeeBox,

Okay,let's put poly-amorous marriage aside,you tell me which group do ya think will step forward next to claim marriage as their 'right' ? Polygamy groups ? Oh wait,polygamy is already practiced here and around the world,so they don't count. The fact is that poly-amorous is the next step,not step x,y or z.

First ya support civil unions then later on,ya support marriage..seems to me like yer the one taking a radical leap from a-z,as marriage has always been only for the union of opposite sexes in all of the history of Man.

Mentioning racism in any given argument,is always used by left-leaners when losing any given argument,ya used a poor analogy yerself. I don't expect anyone to ask ya to apologize because there's a double-standard at play here,that's just the nature of the liberal mind-set.

Have a good one ...

Timmytoohigh · 10-14-2009, 04:20 PM

Lulu,

I attended the wedding of my wife's cousin Harley to his partner Mike this past summer, It was the only Gay Wedding event I ever attended in my lifetime of the last 50 plus years or so.

Family and friends attended the event with all the usual wedding celebrations.

From my viewpoint as a hetero sexual male, who has very little contact with the gay community, I must admit the openness and loving of both of them in celebrating their lifetime commitment to one another with the joy of sharing it with those who care for them both was absolutely no different than any other union of two people either in a civil or church sanctioned marriage that I ever attended.

To those deniers of the joys of humanity....shame on you.

If the Christ can forgive the murderers, rapists, liars cheats and thieves...he can forgive all "Sin" not just a select few.

"Judge not, lest thou shalt be judged by the measure in which you do so"

there I go again...TTH

DonnieDarko · 10-14-2009, 08:10 PM

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To those deniers of the joys of humanity....shame on you.

Rock On, Timmy ... and shame on those who would treat their own family members as less than human .. just for being born differently ...

The reason why homosexuals will ultimately be treated equally in every aspect .. is because the survival of the "family" is at stake ... so it's not THEM vs. US .. it's our own flesh and blood .. whom we inherently and unconditionally love. And we're not gonna negotiate for anything less than equal, no matter what people like Torog think.

Lulu · 10-14-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Torog

As for the male 'g-spot' that ya refer to,I think that is a perversion of the female g-spot terminology to convince people that both are the same,when most likely for males,such a 'spot' is not for sexual pleasure,but for stimulating the prostrate gland,similar to sticking yer finger down yer throat in order to produce a vomiting reaction.

i admit the g-spot question was just to get up your arse - no excuses for the pun - but interestingly skene's glands reputed to be responsible for female ejaculation are also known as the female prostate.

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the evidence of cross-antigenicity between male prostate and Skene's glands by means of PSA and PSAcP demonstrations in Skene's glands and ducts justifies utilization of the term prostate in both sexes.

[The significance of prostate markers in the ortho...[Bratisl Lek Listy. 1994] - PubMed Result

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Originally Posted by Timmytoohigh

From my viewpoint as a hetero sexual male, who has very little contact with the gay community, I must admit the openness and loving of both of them in celebrating their lifetime commitment to one another with the joy of sharing it with those who care for them both was absolutely no different than any other union of two people either in a civil or church sanctioned marriage that I ever attended.

timmy lovely post. people in love are people in love, no different. thanks for sharing. one of the couples i mentioned from our family are together 20+ years, their relationship having outlasted all of their siblings. they lead amazingly productive lives and are still as united today as they were in the 80's. my kids adore them.

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The reason why homosexuals will ultimately be treated equally in every aspect .. is because the survival of the "family" is at stake ... so it's not THEM vs. US .. it's our own flesh and blood .. whom we inherently and unconditionally love. And we're not gonna negotiate for anything less than equal, no matter what people like Torog think.

exactly donnie.

TeeBox · 10-15-2009, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy TeeBox,

Okay,let's put poly-amorous marriage aside,you tell me which group do ya think will step forward next to claim marriage as their 'right' ? Polygamy groups ? Oh wait,polygamy is already practiced here and around the world,so they don't count. The fact is that poly-amorous is the next step,not step x,y or z.

First ya support civil unions then later on,ya support marriage..seems to me like yer the one taking a radical leap from a-z,as marriage has always been only for the union of opposite sexes in all of the history of Man.

Mentioning racism in any given argument,is always used by left-leaners when losing any given argument,ya used a poor analogy yerself. I don't expect anyone to ask ya to apologize because there's a double-standard at play here,that's just the nature of the liberal mind-set.

Have a good one ...

This is going no where but then I knew that.

Can't think of another group that is not allowed to have their marriage legally recognized. Please don't go and throw in polygamists. We're talking about two human beings that want to share their lives and their love for an eternity. There is no legitimate reason in my opinion for two men or two women being denied the same rights a man and a women have with regards to marriage.

Actually I used "union" in consideration of you Torog. The word marriage seems to have only religious connotations to you and that is not what this subject is about. Please try a little harder not to twist my words. I have not been inconsistent in any of my posts on this subject.

Please read again my simple post that apparently crawled up your butt hole (I can assure you I was not looking for your g-spot!). I did not use the word racism. You brought that word to this thread and you alone. And besides, what makes you think left-leaners are losing this argument or any other for that matter? On second thought, let's leave that for the Political Forum if and when it reopens.

I think other posters on this thread have provided very warm personal observations supporting same sex marriages. There is nothing threatening about providing equal rights to gays when it comes to marriage. Someday I hope you come to realize that.

kiwi · 10-15-2009, 03:50 AM

Torog if you continue to bring this thread down with your narrow minded views then I will be forced to close this thread and you may just find yourself banned. Politics was dragged down and I will not sit back and watch ANYONE do it to anymore of these forums.

Torog · 10-15-2009, 12:43 PM

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Torog if you continue to bring this thread down with your narrow minded views then I will be forced to close this thread and you may just find yourself banned. Politics was dragged down and I will not sit back and watch ANYONE do it to anymore of these forums.

Howdy kiwi,

I apologize maam,I've been trying my best not to represent the religious views of the majority of the world's population in this matter,I realize that many here wish to pretend that there is no religious component to this issue,I've tried to pretend that the entire world is secular and proggressive,in order to be able to debate this issue and it ain't easy.

Can't we at least acknowledge that religious folks far out-number the secular-progressive folks ? That the majority of countries in the world and the majority of States in the United States,ban same-sex marriage ?

Please don't make it look like I'm in the minority in this issue,I'm not the only 'narrow-minded' person in the world..it just seems that I'm the only conservative here on this forum that's willing to put my neck on the line in order to debate with y'all.

Have a good one ...

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