need help finding a place to grow

That_New_Guy

hey everybody I was hoping that maybe some of you experienced growers might be able to help me
Im looking to grow but I have no idea where to put it
I wanna keep it on the DL
but I had a few questions I wanted to ask
first- can the police find you by watching your electric bill? like if its really high can that give them reason to check or keep an eye on your house?
second- I know they have those infrared sensors but could those track me through like the walls of a building? and how could I prevent heat from seeping out side so they could find me?

and one more thing I was looking at hydroponic systems
and I know some of you disagree with a first time grower using a hydro
but I wanted to ask if I were to get like one of those Bubbleponic systems
because I really like the looks of those along with the fact that they are practically already made but I was wondering when I do the cloning process would those work well for that kind of purpose?

and like around how much does running all this equipment raise your electric bill?

and one more thing
me and my buddy that are planning to grow
now remember Im just a newb so if this sounds absurd and really ridiculous I apologize
but we were thinking of like an underground err well maybe semi underground green house with all the air circulationa and everything needed for them to survive but would this kind of extreme be practical?
and the problem (other than trying to dig a huge hole) was since we would be far away from any type of electricity I dont know if solar panels and hand crank generators would really help

but if nothing else could I hook into a couple of my neighbors (if Im close enough to any) outlets and just kind of bum some power off them? and Im not talking about 1 house maybe like a few peoples and just switch power sources (which house I use electricity from) periodically so that way there power bill will rise but maybe not enough that they would notice/care


so please tell your opinions thats why I joined because I wanted the help of the experienced
thanks

tokinGLX

nowdays there are so many appliances/electricity using toys that adding another 1000 watts isnt noticed at all, by anyone. maybe if you have a growroom that is running 10 lights that might raise a flag.

not sure about heat sensors. but keeping heat requires the same thing as keeping heat out. proper insulation.

bubble systems are almost the best to use for cloning. just make sure you change the water out on a weekly(or more often) basis. roots usually show in around 10 days.

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That_New_Guy

ok see and I liked the Bubbleponics system and I was thinking if I could get two (flowering/vegatative) what kind of setup would I need?

HYDRO

Did you start a grow?
Rippin electricty is a good way to get caught pay your bills on time and there is no questions asked.
I like your idea of an underground greenhouse, it sounds crazy,best keeping things simple.Saying that starting with hydro should be no problem,ive never lost a crop and I started with hydro 7 years ago.

My advise would be if ya cant do it indoor look for a good spot outdoors off the beaten track,and try to plant a few spots to increase your chances of a harvest.
Goodluck!
peace.

That_New_Guy

yea well I did find a good place to start
only one minor detail
no electricty
but my friend had told me that when he went down to Belize this summer that he saw that some places were running off of car batteries
now this only sparked my imagination
because for me its way to risky to try and rip power and other than this place that I have found I have no place else that I could possibly grow where I live its all open fields
but then when I was introduced to this idea it made everything seem a bit more do-able
and yea I know I'd be running a lot of electricty in a constant throughout the day but all I want to know would it be possible?
like if I took each of the batteries I used for that day and at the end of the day charged them (while using a back up set while waiting for the originals to charge)
but I mean I would have like the Hydro and the lights all working off of a seperate battery
I mean guys this spot I found is almost to good to be true so I dont care how hard you guys will think it is
I just want to know if its possible

thanks

TommyD

Buy, or make, a small portable generator. All you'll need to pack in is gasoline, you'll be able to run off of it and charge yer batteries.

If you go the underground route DON'T dig a hole in a low area, it'll flood out if it rains, look for some higher ground and tunnel in.

ANYTHING is doable, it just takes time, money and a little thinking.

Many things raise electrical consumption, I wouldn't worry

Do NOT rip power from the neighbors...you don't think they'd follow the wires? Best way to call attention (and possibly LE's attention also) to yourself is to do something like this

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That_New_Guy

well see and thats just it
I cant really pack in a generator because where its located there are some people nearby maybe not real close but close enough I would rather not risk it
but what I was thinking of doing is just at the end of the day pack the dead or nearly dead batteries home and charge them there
so basically everything would keep dead silent, about the most noise I'd get would be from the pump for the hydro
but yea I just dont know how many batteries I'd need but I would certainly figure it out on the way

thanks everyone
I appreciate your help and support

spines

I may be able to help you with your 'can the police detect heat' situation. The short answer is:

Yes, they have precedent to use FLIR (Foward Looking Infrared) to detect the heat emmisions coming from your home ( United States v. Penny-Feeney -- they hold that the use of FLIR does not constitute a search, and thus does not violate a citizen's expectation of privacy within their own home).

Is this a bullshit argument, in my opinion yes. For a quick read of the use of FLIR and the arguments for/against it, check out: MTTLR

I am not sure about the laws in Canada/UK.

HYDRO

You can buy anti flir material at,www.hysupply.nl
Hope this helps!

PigSnout

I think the original poster was talking about random searches being legal. The answer is no. There has to be evidence of a grow, then the warrant is issued, then the flir is used.

from the United States v. Penny-Feeney case "(2) that the tips from the three informants, coupled with Officer Char's corroborating information, amounted to probable cause for the warrant authorizing the April 3, 1990, raid independent of the FLIR readings. "

As far as random flybys:
The American Supreme Court, in an opinion penned by arch-conservative Antonin Scalia in 1991, basically said that a person's home really was their castle deserving of the highest privacy protection. That year, Danny Kyllo was a suspected marijuana grower, and police had used infrared technology to scan his house. Based in part on the imaging, police obtained a warrant and busted Kyllo's 100-plant grow.

Kyllo argued that police needed a warrant before using the infrared. Surprisingly, Justice Scalia and the majority of the US Supreme Court agreed. In the US, the criteria defining a search are based on privacy considerations. If you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" then police would need consent, a warrant, or some emergency situation before making a search.

The government argued that thermal imaging was not a search because it employed relatively crude technology. The devices only showed hot spots "off-the-wall" but were not capable of "through-the-wall" observation. Scalia shot this down, saying that allowing thermal imaging now would "leave the homeowner at the mercy of advancing technology." He pointed out that even crude images reveal intimate details, such as "at what hour each night the lady of the house takes her daily sauna and bath."

That_New_Guy

thank you guys at least now I know a little bit more about FLIR
but I dont think it will particularly a problem becuase where I plan for my first grow it is mostly dug out into a hill
there are no worries about flooding and it has a stone face with a door
it seems prtty good
though as stated earlier I dont have a direct source of electricity
thats why I was thinking about the car batteries with a 120V converter
and I had planned to, at the end of every day, take the batteries out and charge them at home
but I had a question
now if you didnt want to go out and buy a big canister of CO2 but you didnt want to spray soapy water on your plants all the time
(and Im sure some of you have seen the videos on YOu Tube on how to grow)
couldnt you hook up a system that would automatically spray soapy water on your plants so many times a day as required just so long as you had it on a timer?
and isnt bubbly water the same as soapy water?

That_New_Guy

one more thing Im looking at nutrient stuff for my hydro.
I have no idea what to get, those nutrient things are about as endless as the colours in the rainbow
can you guys give me any info on what would be the best?

dez

have you ever carried a battery? they're pretty damn heavy...! and it'll take a shitload of them at full power to run even one light. batteries simply will not work. my car battery is dead just by running a rather low wattage stereo overnight!
and even with solar...well, figure 100 bucks for every 100 watts of power just for the panels and then there's those mirrors sitting on your roof that'll definitely attract attention just by the curious factor if nothing else. and generators are very noisy and most need daily attention. your best bet is to run a long extension cord from your home to the shed then cover it. or wait until next spring and remove the shed's roof and just use the sun!

i use 'american nutruients' for the indoor grow and whatever ferts for tomatoes are handy for the outdoor (things aren't as critical when growing in the ground)...and both get a liberal dose of molasses (hefty tbspn/gal of water) twice/week. much info posted about molasses so i won't even go there...beyond saying it's one of the best 'helpful tips' i've received in many years!

Grayveeee

a place to start growing indoors? i emptied my dresser so it's just a shell..its approximately 5 ft. tall, but it still looks like an ordinary dresser though....but..with weeeeed in it lol.

HighSeeker

Your definitely gonna have a hard time swapping out batteries everyday. I would go with the SUN for lighting if you have no electricity close.

And if you steal your neighbors electric...Be prepared to go to jail. Thats a major offense.

Peace

HS

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