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DrGreen · 11-25-2008, 01:35 AM

The Honorable Congressman Jim Ramstad, from the 3rd district of Minnesota and a very strong and liberal Republican.

MsGonzo · 11-25-2008, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DrGreen

The Honorable Congressman Jim Ramstad, from the 3rd district of Minnesota and a very strong and liberal Republican.

Sweet, I hadn't heard this yet. Henry Waxman just won Chairmanship of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Which relates to: food and drug safety, public health, air quality and environmental health, the supply and delivery of energy, and interstate and foreign commerce in general; amongst other things.

Some here may know Waxman from his work with Barney Frank in regards to Marijuana laws. Things are lookin' up!

JohnDoeRadio · 11-26-2008, 09:29 AM

id like to know how you think this is a good thing.....

JohnDoeRadio · 11-27-2008, 03:56 AM

you message me when i question your thoughts on this that i shouldn't post in your thread??

i was honestly looking for someones idea of why you thought this was a good choice. its why i didnt voice my opinion of the guy right off. i wanted to see if you had something that could sway me, didnt want to come out swinging right off the bat yah know...

but do some research. this guy is a former alcoholic, who has issues with drugs all around, and sees medical marijuana as nothing more than a ruse, an attempt to legalize it. nothing compassionate about his thinking. he is also confident of the justice system and its mandatory sentencing polices.

some candidate for mj, and drug reform.

only good thing he does spout is that he thinks treatment is an issue that needs to be addressed more.

now please explain yourself and why you defend a topic next time you post something and get offended when someone questions it...

Koonu · 11-27-2008, 04:24 AM

^^word.

but as a general statement i feel like new administration obviously has a better chance of at least improving shit a lil... although thats not saying much considering who youre comparing it to... obama wont legalize it himself, but if senate congress etc somehow get their shit together and put something on his desk, i think barack has the decentness and common sense enough to realize that the government should respect the will of the people and stop throwing people in jail for using a plant that is safer than tobacco, alcohol, pills etc. at least i hope does.

MsGonzo · 11-27-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDoeRadio

you message me when i question your thoughts on this that i shouldn't post in your thread??

i was honestly looking for someones idea of why you thought this was a good choice. its why i didnt voice my opinion of the guy right off. i wanted to see if you had something that could sway me, didnt want to come out swinging right off the bat yah know...

but do some research. this guy is a former alcoholic, who has issues with drugs all around, and sees medical marijuana as nothing more than a ruse, an attempt to legalize it. nothing compassionate about his thinking. he is also confident of the justice system and its mandatory sentencing polices.

some candidate for mj, and drug reform.

only good thing he does spout is that he thinks treatment is an issue that needs to be addressed more.

now please explain yourself and why you defend a topic next time you post something and get offended when someone questions it...

What's with the former alcoholic reference? Just curious. I'm not sure why that matters.

To get to the heart of the matter, I completely understand where you're coming from. With Dems and Repubs it's 6 of one, half a dozen of another. But given that we currently operate under the restrictions of the electoral college, that's what we've got. Winner take all. This isn't a purely representative system, 3rd parties are most of the time nothing more than distractions. I'll be the first to say it's not ideal, we need to reconstruct the way we do things. But that's another subject for another time.

Whether we like it or not, we're stuck with the lesser of two evils. This guy is definitely the lesser of the two. He's much more towards the middle than the conservative ideologue John P. Walters, who referred to growers as "violent criminal terrorists" and medical marijuana to be as sensible as "medical crack." (And that's just the tip of the iceberg.)

So yeah, definitely an improvement. Though this country has drifted so far to the right that the differences are barely perceptible. The key is to not let up, not for an instance - now that we've got a foothold.

halffoot · 11-27-2008, 12:43 PM

NORML reviews Obama's cabinet appointee's:

NORML Blog Blog Archive So Far, Not So Good

JohnDoeRadio · 11-27-2008, 10:34 PM

yep, halfoots link to NORML will explain all cab position appointing so far.

And the alcoholic issue is a big one. He knows what its like to have an addiction, therefore should be able to address the issue of drugs and addiction with a compassionate and reasonable approach. But that will depend on his strength as a man to stand up to those who will tell him to be hard on "druggies", and follow what part of America would like to do and shove the drug war under the carpet as has been happening since it started. the facts and numbers behind the WOD proves it is a failure and those who follow it are failures also for not seeing what is going on and making a responsible change. The bill CLinton years of the Drug War brought harsh mandatory minimum sentencing. And left nothing for anyone to think for themselves and follow reasoning and factual data. Guess who was second in charge during the clinton era as drug czar.......

This guy co-chairs an addiction treatment and recovery caucus in the House, and he is also Co-Chair of the LAW ENFORCEMENT caucaus. Gee i wonder what that caucus thinks of the war of drugs? He also received an award in 97 and '00 from the National Association of Police Organizations, so i wander who has Jim Ramsted in their pocket. Maybe the police?

AND LAST BUT CETRTAINLY NOT LEAST. Jim serves on the board of Minesota D.A.R.E. Anyone supporting that organizzation is def on a lost path to nowhere. Scratch that, lost path to hell actually.

We are going to see very LITTLE change in drug policies, if ANY under obama. Granted he IS THE MAN to try it on, but i doubt Obama has the gusto to adress any of the issues with the WOD that need to e addressed. People will eat him alive if he starts off mixing it up in drug policy. Sad but true.

BUT, I hope he proves me wrong, and at least i hope he STOPS arresting and raiding medical patients of the good green herb. Its the absolute right thing to do.

SmYthie · 11-28-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MsGonzo

What's with the former alcoholic reference? Just curious. I'm not sure why that matters.

To get to the heart of the matter, I completely understand where you're coming from. With Dems and Repubs it's 6 of one, half a dozen of another. But given that we currently operate under the restrictions of the electoral college, that's what we've got. Winner take all. This isn't a purely representative system, 3rd parties are most of the time nothing more than distractions. I'll be the first to say it's not ideal, we need to reconstruct the way we do things. But that's another subject for another time.

Whether we like it or not, we're stuck with the lesser of two evils. This guy is definitely the lesser of the two. He's much more towards the middle than the conservative ideologue John P. Walters, who referred to growers as "violent criminal terrorists" and medical marijuana to be as sensible as "medical crack." (And that's just the tip of the iceberg.)

So yeah, definitely an improvement. Though this country has drifted so far to the right that the differences are barely perceptible. The key is to not let up, not for an instance - now that we've got a foothold.

it matters because reformed alcoholics and drug addicts sometimes become very opposed to drugs and alcohol because it ruined their lives and they can't touch it. So basically they have a bias against it. That saying once an alcoholic always an alcoholic is pretty true, so the only way he can feel good about himself is if he sees it as an evil to over come.

this is a generalization of course, not all reformed alcoholics are like this...except i do know a few

as for the topic of the thread, i haven't read much into his choices for cabinet members. so i'm clueless

DrGreen · 11-30-2008, 05:08 AM

Jim is scheduled to be the new white house drug czar. He is a
recovering alcoholic of 27years and prior to that time of sobriety,
smoked more pot than Bill Clinton ever had seen in his life time. A
Harvard educated and born in Jamestown, North Dakota, he has 18 years
in the US Congress and 6 years in the Minnesota State Senate, I was his
precinct captain in 1982 for his second term in our State Senate.

The math indicates he will accept the position and get another 6
years towards his federal retirement. There is a big jump when you have
30 years of service...

Ramstad will recommend that the marijuana classification be changed
to a schedule 2 substance and will open up medical testing here in our
country...March of 2009 and with his recommendation, 235 votes will be
in the bag...

Obama wants another 4 years in office and when the change comes from
a strong member of the Republican Party, he was number 3 in seniority
on the House Ways and Means Committee..Obama can say he supports the
White House Czar in his recommendation...

The war is over and all Medical Marijuana States will be left to
their own laws and statutes. Organized Crime will still be subject to
the federal wrath.

Its a great day when we got Obama as our president

Richard Sentz, JD

aka: Dr Green
Guess it was Georgetown Law School but did work at Harvard.....

Psycrow420 · 11-30-2008, 05:18 AM

As a Minnesotan and someone who's seen Ram-my-ass's policies...I say....

SHIT!

Jay0h · 01-15-2009, 10:03 AM

yeah ive heard that overall this guy is bad..

Timmytoohigh · 01-18-2009, 11:20 AM

On the lighter side.....originally posted in politics forum...my apologies fer not being astute enough to use quote button to bring post forward...I'll type it over again...Timmytoohigh

Obama's New "Drug Czar" Appointee

API...Washington, January 22, 2009

The press gallery is "Abuzz" with rumors of President Barrack Obama's choice of a new Drug Czar, to put an end to the uncertainty Americans have faced for over 70 years since prohibition of marijuana first came into effect.

While Americans await his official public statement on this final Executive Appointment, "Deep Throat" has again blown the "Lid" off inside discussions on Capitol Hill.

Deep Throat released the document "New Hope for America" this morning to Fox News staff, the simple statement expected later today simply states..

"It is my great pleasure to announce two "Drug Czars", that will "jointly" answer to me directly. Former Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan have agreed to help with this vitally important issue. There is no explanation needed to state their qualifications or prior experience.

When these two deliver their final report with their further reccomendations to me, I will act on them immediately. In the meantime, by Executive Order, I am implementing the following actions immediately...

1, Release all prisoners in every facility where they are incarcerated in, those who were jailed or imprisoned for violation of any former marijuana laws on Federal or State jurisdictions.

2, Repealing all Federal marijuana laws presently on our books that negatively impact peaceful otherwise law abiding Americans.

3, Initiate a Federal Grand Jury, empowered to investigate moral wrongs imposed upon Americans during the prohibition period of marijuana. I will further empower them to act by placing those people on trial who have broken the public trust by abusing their "Authority" to subvert or otherwise persecute Americans who either produced, consumed, possessed or sold marijuana.

4, Redirect 90% of present Federal funding of all public monies budgeted for the previous "War on Drugs" to finance the above named Grand Jury investigation.

5, Effective immediately, I am appointing Mr. Tommy Chong as Chief Justice of this Federal Grand Jury, furthermore, I am empowering him to appoint 11 more Justices to sit on the bench in judgement of those yet to be indibted by this Court of Enquirey.

Thank you, and God bless America

SmYthie · 01-21-2009, 04:51 AM

aw man timmy i really thought that was serious until the end...but its good to hear that this guy is at least sensible as far as medical marijuana goes...not as far as i'd like him to go, but its a step in the right direction

JohnDoeRadio · 01-21-2009, 12:56 PM

maybe next time though, use people who are actually alive today and maybe itll fly with more people....err, i mean fool more people.

good one.

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